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Sunday, March 25, 2007

Section 50 Sarah, Ryan, Chris, Cory, and Jordan

Now I will overlook you injustices, Clodia, I overlook your painful memories of me; I disregard any remarks you have savagely made against my family in my absence; I said these things so that these words would not be against you. But I ask you of yourself, seeing that the prosecutors say this accusation is from you, and that they have you yourself as a witness of the very same. If any mulier should be of this manner, the sort I assigned a little before, dissimilar from you, in the whorish life and institution, then at this time it would seem that the young man had something of reason, no? Something very base to you or that he was very disgraceful. If you are not she, just as I am for evil, what is that which they put up against Caelius? If on the contrary, they prefer you to be so, then why should we fear such a charge, if you treat it with contempt? For this reason, give life and logic of the defense to us. For either your humility will defend nothing that has been said more insolent by Caelius or impudence will gives great resources to both him and that of others in order that he must be defended.

Section 49

If some, widowed slut may expose her own household to the desire of all men and may establish herself openly in the life of a harlot, if she is accustomed to enjoying the parties of most unconnected men, if she does this in the city, in the pleasure garden, in that most renound place, Baiae, thus if she carries herself not only in her approach also in her dress and associations, not with desire, nor by fiery eyes, nor with diction, yet even now the embrace, with the act of kissing, at the sea-shore, on a voyage, at a supper club, should this harlot be looked upon as violent or as imprudent: She having been seen as not only as a harlot, but an imprudent harlot: if she had existed with fortitude rather than the young, no matter which this is for you, L. Herrenius. Whither the adulterer will be loved, does she seem to have been assaulting the purity or the wish for desire?

Section 48

Truly if there is anyone who even now might think that it is forbidden for young men regarding the love of a whore, indeed this is very serious, I am unable to deny it, but he shrinks away not only from the licentiousness of this generation but also truly from the indulgences and the custom of the majority . When only this must not be done, when this must be held back, when this must not be permitted, when this was that which is lawful, which was not lawful. I might finish off this thing itself I will name no whore I will leave so much undecided.

Section 47 Brent, Brianna, Adam Katie

Does this neighborhood therefore produce nothing, do these reports of men produce nothing, and finally, does Baiae itself say nothing? Truly Baiae does not only speak, it shouts out, to this point the passion of this one slut has collapsed, so that she had not only not searched for solitude and darkness and shield from this disgraceful act, but revels in this most ugly affair in the most dense crowd and the most clear light.

Wednesday, March 14, 2007

Section 42 Ryan,m Tachelle, Jordan, Katie

If you should have encountered that one, who scorns the beauty of things with the eyes, who does not seize it with any scent, nor with touch, nor with taste, excludes charm with ears, then perhaps I would be for this man, and a few would think that the gods were pleased, on the other hand, many would think them angry. Consequently, this neglected way, having been deserted and blocked may now be left behind to the foliage and thicket. Let some game be given for age, let his youth be more free, let them not refuse all things for pleasures, never let straight reason overcome those truths, occasionally, let desire and pleasure conquer reason, so long as teaching and limitation have these things in this class. A young man protects his own good name, so he does not spoil the good name belonging to an other, so he does not throw away inheritance, so the interest is not slaughtered, so he does not attack against the house and the family of an other, so he does not bring shame upon the pure, dishonor upon the untouched, nor disgrace upon the good, let him not terrify any with violence, nor be involved in conspiracy, and be free from villainy.
At last, when he may have submitted to pleasures, he would have imparted something of time to the game of age and to these inane desires of youth, and before it was too late, he would call himself back to the cares of domestic things, to those of things pertaining to the forum and of things political, so that she, who had, before, looked down with excessive reason, with him needing to make the attempt, would seem to have thrown down and despise him.

Section 44 Justin, Jesse, Chris, Adam

And by the truth in M. Caelius – I should audaciously speak of this enthusiastic and honorable man because I risk relying on your wisdom that you shamelessly admit – The (libido) will be found, without luxury, without cost and without debt, libido will be found without (the use of) parties or brothels. Because not only does this age of men not diminish the certain vice of the stomach and of gluttony, but also increases it. But affection and these affairs are said, which are not accustomed for a longer time to be irksome to the most steadfast, gifted mind- for they shed blossoms quickly and prematurely- they never held this, having been occupied or hindered.

Section 45

You have listened, when he spoke on behalf of himself, you have listened before, when he was accused (these causes needing to be defended, I will not have taken glory in speaking out); This class of speech, which you inspect by means of your good sense and ability, full of opinions and words. (Brianna, Sarah, Cody)

And in this affaire, you see that his innate quality does not shine forth alone, for often, if diligence still does not nourish, yet it is strong among men, but had not been involved, unless on account of kindness it had fooled me by chance, reason, institution, and the pains of the fireguard, are exerted on good skill. Ryan

It is not possible that the mind hampered by lust, given to love, desire, and longing, often by excessive wealth, but also sometimes by poverty, can sustain the effort whatever it is whatever we make in speaking, in whatever way we make it, not by the way of doing, but also truly by thinking. (Ben, Brent, Ashley)

Section 43 Brianna, Sarah, Cody

And also, the greatest people and the clearest citizens, jurors, both have been a memory of many and of our fathers, when the eagerness of any youth comes to full boil, the excellent strengths having hardened now step out with age. From which it is pleasing to name nobody from me; you have thought over with yourselves. I do not want to connect not even the smallest mistake to this decent and bright man, with the greatest praise. And if I wished to do this, then I should name many of the greatest and most ornate men, of whom some were made known for extravagant freedom in their youth, for others their profuse luxury, the magnitude of another’s money (debts), expenses, desires, but afterwards having been concealed by their many virtues, who wished he could defend his youth by means of excuses.

Section 46 Brent, Ben, Ashley

Why do you think that there is any other case in which the men of such distinction in oratory, such pleasure of speech, such praise, such grace, such prestige are and often were so few, who are engaged in this work? All pleasures must be destroyed, the eagerness of this effort must be dissolved, (and) entertainment, jest, feast, and conversation of the household must be abandoned. Therefore in this respect work annoys men and turns them from devotion not because they lack either talent or boyhood instruction.

Friday, March 09, 2007

Pro Caelio Sections 39-41

Section 39
Tachelle, Brianna, Sarah, Brent

Anyone will say: “is this then your kind of discipline? Thus you find young men? On account of this cause a parent committed and surrendered that boy to you, so he might put together his own youth to love and to pleasure, and so you may support this life and these pursuits? If anyone, judges, was of this kind of resolve in life and this kind of potential and this restraint, so that he refused all pleasures and he made every journey of his life for labor of body and controversy of mind, who did not declare dignity, nor relaxation, nor pursuits of the same age, nor love affairs, nor games, nothing which was worth wishing for in life except what was connected with praise and with dignity, a certain man who, in my opinion, was arranged and endowed with divine virtues. Because of this family I believe that they are Camillus, Fabricus, Curius and all of them, who made so much of these from the least.


Section 40: Seth, Joe, Cory

Truly these types of virtues are scarcely discovered not only in our morals but now in our books. Likewise, the papers fall into disuse, of things which they were securing that former severity; Not only in our writings, we who having escorted are more than which these having cut the account of the events of life with words, but also in the teachings of the Greeks, most educated people, one is yet permitted to speak and write honestly and splendidly with which, when they were not able to cause, someone will step forth at this time having been moved by teaching of the Greeks.

Section 41 Ashley, Katie, Ethan, Seth

Therefore some alleged to make the entire case have a good taste of delight, the men escaped from this speech having been taught by shame. Others thought that dignity needs to be united with pleasure, so that they may unite things inconsistent as much as possible. Those who think the one straight road to praise is with labor, now they exist nearly alone in the schools having been left behind. In fact nature has born many delights for us by which virtue may be lulled asleep sometimes; it showed many slippery ways to the youth by which it is hardly possible for it to stand firm, or that it can hardly progress without an accident and slipping by anyone; it gives a variety of the most pleasant things by which not only this age but also one having been strongly fortified, may be caught.

Monday, January 22, 2007

Section 29

Ut tibi reum neminem sed vitia ista proponas, res tamen ipsa et copiose et graviter accusari potest. Sed vestrae sapientiae, iudices, es non abduci ab reo nec, quos aculeos habeat severitas gravitasque vestra, cum eos exxusator erexerit in rem, in vitia, in moresin tempora, emittere in hominem et in reum , cum is non suo crimine sed multorum vitio sit in quoddam odium iniustum vocatus.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Chapter 74

I wish that desire of glory had led him in another direction; but the time of this complaint has passed. He accused Caius Antonius, my colleague, a miserable man to whom there is nothing in memory of his great service to this Republic that remained to his benefit, only the opinion of the evil having been conceived (by him) harmed him. Afterward, he